Thinking Beyond Competition

June 17, 2010

The interchange test and the thrifty poor myth

Filed under: Fun ideas, Personal life and individual choice — Tags: — vipulnaik @ 12:50 pm

One of the ways a person is asked to generate sympathy and empathy for those in a predicament is by requesting them to put himself/herself in the other person’s shoes. The general hope is that by doing so, the person understands the unique circumstantial constraints and challenges that the other person faces and is thus kinder to the other person.

My personal impression has been that the majority of these exercises are farcical and that they’re often rigged deliberately to only generate positive rather than negative empathetic responses. For, what if I try putting myself in the other person’s shoes and discover that I would have behaved in a totally different way, one that I consider superior along various metrics to the way the other person behaved? In such cases, the usual temptation is to dismiss my exercise as superficial, biased, insensitive, and ill-informed. But if the goal is simply to agree that the other person behaved in a manner that was appropriate and in some sense necessitated by circumstances, why carry out the farce in the first place?

On the other hand, there is good potential insight that can be gleaned by putting oneself in another person’s shoes — as long as attempts to bias the results one way or the other are kept to a minimum. I’d guess that the probability that such genuine exercises would give “politically correct” answers would be fifty-fifty. One simple approach is the interchange test — put yourself in the other person’s shoes and simultaneously put the other person in your shoes.

DISCLAIMER: Note that the examples I give here are simply to illustrate this process and other people may come to different conclusions based on their direct experience and their knowledge and interpretations of large scale data.

The lazy white collar worker and the hardworking blue collar worker

Anecdotal observation might suggest that white collar workers (people working in more “brainy” jobs) are more lousy at sticking to deadlines than their blue collar counterparts. Further, the lousiness seems to increase the higher up the braininess scale you go. When it comes to software projects or writers or researchers, meeting deadlines is a rarity. Students are known for postponing things to the last minute and not getting them done even then — the so-called student syndrome. Compare this to the typical conscientious blue collar worker who turns up for a job every day on time. Hey, the blue collar worker knows how to keep deadlines, and the white collar worker doesn’t! Ergo, all the prejudice against blue collar workers being somehow lazier or less conscientious is wrong.

Here, a little interchange test might help. What happens if a blue collar worker is thrust into a white collar job? Would the blue collar worker generally perform as well as the white collar worker? Since it’s hard to imagine being many different people at once, here is a simpler question that can be judged through empirical observations more easily. What kind of things do people generally find harder — switching out of a day-to-day blue collar job to engage in academic work, or switching out of academic work to engage in a day-to-day blue collar job? What do people generally find harder — switching out of a simple clerical job into a managerial position, or switching out of a managerial position into a clerical job?

This observational version of the interchange test has strongly suggested to me that switching to brain-based work is in general harder than switching out from it. Note that this isn’t to say that all body-based work is easy — definitely, becoming an athlete (which also requires some brains — see this, referred to here) isn’t. But my surmise would be that the typical conscientious blue collar worker is able to keep deadlines better because it is easier to keep deadlines. Further, for those parts of the jobs of white collar workers that involve the keeping of simple deadlines, I suspect that on average they perform better than blue collar workers. This is not to deny that there is a significant variation in conscientiousness among both kinds of workers, so individual counterexamples are easy to find. (Note also that I am approximately conflating blue collar with low-skill, an approximation that is mostly valid; though there are exceptions — some jobs in building construction may be blue collar in a technical sense but may require considerably more skill than the typical clerical job).

This should not be confused with saying that somebody in a high-demanding white collar job would like to switch to a blue collar job. Certainly, blue collar jobs are unpleasant, partly because they involve mean and nasty employers breathing down your neck.

The thrifty poor: myth or fact?

The contempt that the rich hold for the poor is all too well known. Of course, not all poor people are the same — there are often distinctions between the honest, conscientious poor and the “tramps” to whom money given is like water on a duck’s back. But people have argued, as I did here and here, that, on average, the rich probably do enjoy certain advantages over the poor that go beyond money — advantages that probably include greater intelligence, greater conscientiousness, and better experience with the specific mechanisms needed to operate in a money-based society.

Yet, on the other hand, there is also a grudging admiration for the poor — hey, after all, they are managing to survive with less money, so, by the very fact that they are doing it, they must embody the virtues of thrift. Ergo, the poor must have certain qualities and special skills that the spoilt rich have failed to develop, give that they rarely had to worry about paying for the next meal (in a developing country poor context) or paying off their mounting credit card debt (in the developed country poor context).

While there is certainly some plausibility to this, it is by no means as foregone a conclusion as it appears. First, conspicuous consumption induces some obvious biases. We are liable to identify people who conspicuously consume as being richer than they are, but this automatically biases us into the conclusion that richer people spend more money than they actually do (because we underestimate the wealth of those rich people who aren’t engaging in conspicuous consumption to the same extent). See also these two earlier posts.

Back in 1962, in a seminar paper titled irrational behavior and economic theory, Gary Becker argued that people behaving very irrationally could still lead to outcomes very close to a rational behavior outcome. One of the mechanisms he identified was that people may simply run out of money. Not having money (and lacking the ability to buy stuff on credit) forces you to forego consumption however profligate a person may be.

On the empirical side, Abhijit Banerjee and Esther Duflo show in their seminal paper economic lives of the poor that poor people across the world spend a lot of their money on entertainment and festivals, even though there are often parts of the year when they have to make do with less food than they would like. Whether this is because they are making a conscious and far-sighted tradeoff by foregoing food for entertainment or whether this is irrational on their part is a moot point. However, it does suggest that the majority of poor people are not making the most significant and systematic efforts to manage their money to climb the ladder of health and wealth in the long term.

The interchange test might work here. Consider a number of poor people whom you encounter on a day-to-day basis. Make a list of all the things they do, including all the items they spend money on. How many of these items would you spend money on if you were in their financial predicament? Or, look back to the times when you were tight on money. How was your spending pattern similar to and different from that of the poor people who you see around you? If this “other person’s shoes” approach seems too hard, try something simpler: look at the people who have become less poor (or more rich) over time. How do their spending patterns differ from those of others?

My rough surmise would be that the poor are neither uniquely profligate or ill-suited to make their own financial decisions, nor are they extraordinarily thrifty. In most respects, the poor are a lot like the rich — but the averages would not be identical, and they would come out worse for the poor on most measures. Thus, my conclusion warrants neither paternalistic pity nor a (it seems to me) misplaced admiration for the virtuous thrift of the poor at large.

7 Comments »

  1. My personal impression has been that the majority of these exercises are farcical and that they’re often rigged deliberately to only generate positive rather than negative empathetic responses.

    Well, duh. You’re stating the obvious like a revelation. :P

    “Put yourself in X’s shoes” is merely a device to generate empathy, both because writing the latter would be awkward and because the exercise, as a concrete activity, does help many unimaginative people. But it need not be taken literally, e.g. if you can derive empathy through some other sort of understanding. To actually take it literally and then further complain about it as you do seems rather perverse!

    The goal is not “simply to agree that the other person behaved in a manner that was appropriate” — that’s agreement, not empathy — but to understand and find it natural why the other person did so. Of course, the empathy or understanding you derive may be that the person is stupid, or has other faults (which if you had, you may act similarly). That may be a correct or flawed conclusion, but you have to make some assumptions when putting yourself in the other’s shoes anyway.

    most respects, the poor are a lot like the rich — but the averages would not be identical, and they would come out worse for the poor on most measures. Thus, my conclusion warrants neither paternalistic pity nor a (it seems to me) misplaced admiration for the virtuous thrift of the poor at large.
    There’s something provocative about the whole post, which talks of “the poor” in generalistic terms, as if they were uniform, or as if averages were the whole story (though you don’t say so anywhere). What’s wrong with “paternalistic pity” anyway? Why should the realisation that some people are unfortunate in some way or another (economic, physical, or mental resources) not lead to sympathy? Also, what is the consequence of the observation that they are not working systematically to get out of poverty? (Ignoring for now that poverty is not a binary state, and that it’s not within everyone’s resources to get out of poverty even in so-called lands of opportunity, let alone in worse parts of the world.) Is it the idea that it’s ok (or even important) to allow people to suffer for their mistakes?

    Comment by S — June 18, 2010 @ 8:13 am

    • You’re attacking straw men.

      I think in my post I made it amply clear that there is significant variation both among poor and rich people in terms of all kinds of qualities. However, I was asserting that it is possible (and to me, plausible), that the averages for “the poor” and “the rich” differ. I was also making an assertion (that you are free to disagree with) about the nature and direction of that difference. Also, I linked to a previous post where I discuss what I consider three possible broad sources of such differences, and summarised them in this post as well.

      I could have complicated the analysis from a binary one to a continuous one by talking of correlation and regression coefficients relating SES, intelligence, conscientiousness, etc. but I didn’t feel that it adds value in the context of the blog post (actually, I didn’t actively consider it, but you could say this was a subconscious decision). The use of “the poor” versus “the rich” was to make a stylised comparison.

      By “paternalistic pity” I meant the approach that some people (in this case, poor ones) cannot decide things for themselves and hence others need to dictate and coerce them into various decisions. What I’m saying is that the fact that poor people have less self-control along some specific measures is not ipso facto a case for saying that they should be coerced on issues of money management.

      Regarding your final question:

      Is it the idea that it’s ok (or even important) to allow people to suffer for their mistakes?

      Yes. Though I would phrase it differently. I would say that it is important for people to have freedom to act as they see fit, which includes doing things that others may consider mistakes, or even things that they in the future may consider mistakes. I might try to persuade you, for instance, not to procrastinate so much, but you are ultimately free to disregard me :) . This freedom is valuable in and of itself, even if, in your procrastinative case, it leads to outcomes that you don’t consider the best of all possible worlds. With freedom, however, comes responsibility. Having people free to make their own mistakes and then having others pick up the tab is an explosive combination, in my view. It is also true that a utilitarian case can be made for freedom. The more people are free to make their own mistakes and suffer the consequences, the more the relative payoff to the responsible relative to the irresponsible, and the more the incentives for people to imitate the best practices. “Supermarket effects” are also likely to be operational — though most people aren’t conscientious about the prices of fruits and vegetables, the fact that enough people look at the prices enough of the time is sufficient to keep prices in check. And so on.

      In any case, the purpose of this post was not to make a solid case for the view presented in this previous paragraph, but rather, simply to note that paternalistic pity and/or paternalistic interventionism is not a necessary or inevitable corollary of an admission that the poor perform worse on a variety of internal performance measures than the rich.

      Comment by vipulnaik — June 18, 2010 @ 12:56 pm

    • You ask:

      Also, what is the consequence of the observation that they are not working systematically to get out of poverty?

      Not much for most people. However, it is important if, say, you are concerned as to what is the best way to help poor people out of poverty. I think a common fallacy promoted by charities and microfinance institutions in their publicity brochures, and by many people working in the aid and international development business, is that, if only they were given the chance (which may be a chance to go to school, or a vaccine against a disease that could debilitate or kill them, or a small loan to start a business), “the poor” would pull themselves out of poverty. I think it’s important to keep in mind that there is significant variation among poor people and that while it’s certainly true that some poor people would take the first opportunity and use it well, a lot of the others wouldn’t. This is why the initial success of such ventures as microfinance institutions or new schools should not be construed as evidence that the same level of success will continue as the operations expand.

      You also ask whether I am making the poor more homogeneous than they are. Actually, I am against making the poor homogeneous, and all about acknowledging the significant variations among them. As I explained in the above paragraph, this is why the fact that some poor people can seize opportunity fairly well is not to me evidence that most poor people can seize opportunity fairly well. Conversely, noting that some poor people seem to be interested in digging their heels into poverty is not evidence that most poor people are of that sort. I’m not sure why you got the impression that I was treating the poor as a homogeneous lot.

      Comment by vipulnaik — June 18, 2010 @ 1:04 pm

    • Sorry for the splitting of my response across multiple comments — you just had too much stuff for me to reply to :) .

      You say:

      “Put yourself in X’s shoes” is merely a device to generate empathy, both because writing the latter would be awkward and because the exercise, as a concrete activity, does help many unimaginative people. But it need not be taken literally, e.g. if you can derive empathy through some other sort of understanding. To actually take it literally and then further complain about it as you do seems rather perverse!

      Read me carefully and you’ll notice that my complaint is that the exercise seems biased to generate positive rather than negative empathetic responses. One of my complaints is that, if, after putting myself in your shoes, I conclude that you must have been really silly to act the way you did, or I conclude that you must have been really wicked to act the way you did, I am likely to be accused of not having truly put myself in your shoes. I have seen this kind of knee jerk dismissal at least a few times. This was what I was objecting to — not the exercise per se. In fact, in the blog post, I do recommend this exercise but without the deliberate tilting of the scales for bias or the effort to arrive at predetermined results.

      Comment by vipulnaik — June 18, 2010 @ 1:30 pm

      • You’re attacking straw men.
        Yes, sorry. It was late at night. :-) I was somewhat aware I was doing this, as I mentioned, but… I don’t know what I meant. :p Also, your post was clearly reacting to something I haven’t seen, and without that context I made it worse by reacting to stuff not in your post. :-)

        Forget the homogeneity thing because that was clearly an unfair and irelevant comment.

        About the paternalism and coercion (I would phrase it differently again :-) ), I agree with you that such measures are not ipso facto a case for er, taking measures. But I don’t agree with the general principle of “freedom” being paramount to welfare though it’s certainly a great idea, since clearly most societies do have laws that take away options from people for their welfare, like (to recall a financial example) the government in Karnataka banning certain lotteries after they lead to many poor people committing suicide after financial ruin. And of course, a more obvious utilitarian argument can be made for “paternalism”, by directly claiming that something is better for people. (In practice, I’m sceptical of all such claims, and even in principle freedom is simpler and attractive, but I’m unconvinced.)
        [BTW, unrelated: Amusing Ourselves to Death.]

        Random remark: these measures may not be constant: while certain people may seem to have less self-control and be spending their money unwisely, it is still possible that when faced with opportunity, hope, preaching and examples of others, they change. This is like (or exactly) your utilitarian argument for freedom.

        About the shoes: I agree with your complaint. I just don’t think it’s surprising that people making it expect a positive response (and the knee-jerk dismissal is not to the way you carried out the exercise, but that you didn’t agree with them) — if they expected a negative response they often wouldn’t have suggested the exercise. :-)

        Comment by S — June 20, 2010 @ 5:13 am

        • Yes, sorry. It was late at night. :-) I was somewhat aware I was doing this, as I mentioned, but… I don’t know what I meant. :p Also, your post was clearly reacting to something I haven’t seen, and without that context I made it worse by reacting to stuff not in your post. :-)

          You don’t need to be apologetic :) . You bring up some good points about paternalism. But paternalism wasn’t a focus of this post, and was more of a throwaway line/disclaimer to make it clear that I wasn’t trying to make the case for paternalism. I’ll curate some links/references on the issue of paternalism at some later stage, but for now, if you’re interested in the matter, you can check out keywords/search terms: “libertarian paternalism”, “soft paternalism”, “effect paternalism”, and “paternalism begets paternalism.”

          Comment by vipulnaik — June 20, 2010 @ 1:15 pm

  2. [...] Uncategorized — vipulnaik @ 9:00 pm I’ve touched on similar themes in the past: in this blog post I consider critically the idea of “putting oneself in another person’s shoes.” [...]

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